Ranking the Bowl Games

The bowl season is set and so is the 4th edition of the College Football Playoff. In the end, the Crimson Tide get the controversial 4th seed over Ohio State as the committee just couldn’t overlook that 31-point loss to Iowa. Ultimately, this means Alabama lost their final game of the season, didn’t win their division or conference, and still got in. The Iron Bowl was kind of meaningless and they got an extra week of rest! Ohio State won their conference, had 3 better wins based on the final poll in comparison to the Tide, but the committee foregoes the opportunity to place a 2-loss team in the Big Dance for the very first time.

ROSE BOWL
#3 Georgia vs. #2 Oklahoma

SUGAR BOWL
#1 Clemson vs. #4 Alabama

The Dawgs and Sooners have never met before so that will add an extra dynamic to what should be a historic Rose Bowl. I believe I read this is only the second time in history that the Rose Bowl won’t be featuring a Big Ten or Pac-12 team which to me just shows how silly it was to include the “major” bowls in the playoff rotation. This game should be played in Norman, in my opinion.

Alabama and Clemson will meet for the third straight playoff, with each side claiming the last 2 national championships. They are also tied (3) with the most wins in playoff history. You’d have to think the winner here is favored in the title game. A win for Dabo Swinney would be something else, he’d move to 72-10 (.878%) over the last 6 years with the opportunity for back-to-back titles.

CITRUS BOWL
#14 Notre Dame vs. #17 LSU

The scuttlebutt had the Irish likely matching up against a Big 12 team in the Camping World Bowl, but no! Actually, it’s the same stadium. Yes, the Camping World Stadium hosts the Camping World Bowl, Cure Bowl, and Notre Dame’s post-season destination in the Citrus Bowl.

Count me as pretty bored with this matchup for a couple reasons. One, this is the 4th bowl meeting with LSU since 1997 and the 4th meeting in Notre Dame’s last 13 bowl games. Secondly, this has to be one of the least “name” LSU teams in recent history. Only running back Derrius Guice and linebacker Arden Key were pre-season first-team All-SEC picks and Guice (1,153 yards) wasn’t much of a star this year and Key missed 4 games with injuries–although he’s expected to suit up in Orlando.

My Favorite Bowl Games

ARMED FORCES BOWL
San Diego State vs. Army

The Black Knights still have Navy this weekend and if they can win that this bowl will be for a chance at a 10-win season. Somehow, Army won 10 games in 1996 but this would be only the second time in school history they hit that mark. The Aztecs with Rashaad Penny (2,027 rushing yards) are a fun team, too. This one kicks off the Christmas weekend Saturday coverage.

FOSTER FARMS BOWL
Arizona vs. Purdue

Assuming Jeff Brohm sticks around the Boilers are searching for their 7th win which would be their most victories in 5 years. That could lead to some nice off-season momentum. Also, speaking of off-season momentum quarterback Khalil Tate and his gaudy 10.1 rushing average are going to be gracing many a magazine next summer. Tune in and check him out.

OUTBACK BOWL
Michigan vs. South Carolina

The rematch!

It’s crazy that this is only Jim Harbaugh’s 7th season wrapping up at the FBS level and he’s lost at least 3 games in 6 of those seasons. A loss here would tie for the second most ever by a Harbaugh team, too. Obviously don’t forget we open the season next year with Michigan.

PEACH BOWL
#12 UCF vs. #7 Auburn

Scott Frost it technically coaching in this game although he’s turned over all of the prep in the coming weeks to his staff. So, that puts a damper on this matchup. The history suggest the plucky underdog losing its coach is going to come out really flat. However, we also have the ability of a seriously disinterested SEC team, too.

ALAMO BOWL
#13 Stanford vs. #15 TCU

These two teams met for a home-and-home in 2007-08 but that was before Stanford began their rise through the national ranks. The Cardinal lost both of those meetings, by the way. A loss here would be 5 on the season for Stanford which would tie for their most since 2009. A win for TCU could springboard them to the Big 12 favorite in a post-Baker Mayfield world.

ORANGE BOWL
#6 Wisconsin vs. #10 Miami

I’m sticking to my prediction that Miami ends the season with 3 straight losses. If so, it’ll be interesting to see how the off-season shapes up. It’ll still be the U’s “best” season in 14 years and yet just 1 game better than 2016 as a fringe Top 15-team. By the way, Wisconsin has never won 13 games in a season so this is a massive program achievement lined up for them despite the disappointment of not winning the Big Ten.

FIESTA BOWL
#11 Washington vs. #9 Penn State

Only the third-ever meeting (PSU won both) and the first in nearly 35 years. For me it feels like Penn State is going to be the far hungrier team. Posting back-to-back 11-win seasons would be a huge deal in Happy Valley. In any event the explosive PSU offense is a great matchup against Washington’s stingy defense.

COTTON BOWL
#8 USC vs. #5 Ohio State

Ohio State’s reward for failing to enter the playoffs is to play one of the country’s hottest and most talented teams! Congrats, guys! This is the first meeting between these blue-bloods in 7 years. Amazingly, the Trojans have won the last 7 meeting stretching back to 1975.

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Underthrown Shoelace
Underthrown Shoelace

Is the 35 point victory over USC the best win by a ND football team in the last 20+ years? I think added ammunition might be that we likely kept them out of the playoffs with that effort.

2012 @ OU is up there too, but that was a much closer game where we pulled away late. Plus they got steamrolled by Manziel in their bowl game to finish 10-3.

I’m reaching for positivity in a football season that’s felt over to me for a month. I may have missed the mark like a Wimbush screen pass.

Geaux Irish
Beat Tigers

mlafort1
mlafort1

Nah. 2013 over a Michigan State team that won 13 games, the Rose Bowl, and finished #3. They were unranked at the time and we had Tommy Rees but by the full-season standard, that’s the best team ND has beaten in a long, long while.

Underthrown Shoelace
Underthrown Shoelace

That was a solid win against probably the team with the better resume than OU or USC, but we only won by 4 points. I think a 35 point win over the #8 team is more impressive than a 4 point win over the #3 team.

Also given the general thoughts about the programs and talent (I realize we’re time traveling here), 2017 USC would likely be favored in a matchup against that 2013 MSU team.

mlafort1
mlafort1

Fair points. There’s definitely more talent on this USC team but I’d argue their resume is two wins over Stanford and not much else. Beating a full-strength Ohio State would probably put them over the top in my mind.

More Noise
More Noise

I am so with you! Makes me feel like getting to Antoine’s in downtown Nouvelle Orléans and inviting you for a classic French 75 or three (champagne and cognac base, invented by one of our WWI fighter aces) and disrespecting the Tigers some!

Irishchamp23
Irishchamp23

Yea not excited about LSU – though perhaps they are beatable. On the other hand, I am happy that we play on Jan. 1.

hooks orpik
hooks orpik

I’m happy for a Jan 1 date, too. LSU isn’t super exciting, but neither to me would OK St or Iowa St have been either. I feel like a possible win over an SEC team “means more” for whatever it’s worth.

More Noise
More Noise

Yes, Jan 1st way better. (1) That’s when bowls are supposed to be played; (2) I can watch it )on the 28th was flying back from Bombay). (3) Beating SEC has more cachet; and besides, it’s better exposure for us to those players down South that we want to recruit for our D-line (like Jerry T).

MDIRISH
MDIRISH

You mean Mumbai?

kiwifan
kiwifan

Agree with your comments Noise.

What takes you to Mumbai?

Underthrown Shoelace
Underthrown Shoelace

Bombay Boutique in South Bend just wasn’t authentic enough for him.

More Noise
More Noise

Hi you three: 1, yeah, I meant Mumbai; 2, one of my former students in Paris has invited me to his wedding south of Mumbai (three days, he says…!!); and 3, yeah, gotta be searching for more authenticity than that there boutique!

Football was a verb
Football was a verb

I can’t stand Alabama, but I didn’t feel too bad for OSU. My guess is the committee didn’t want to break norms for OSU, yet again, so they could get crushed by Clemson, yet again.

I actually found myself feeling bad for Auburn. Obviously they shouldn’t have lost to LSU, but it must hurt to crush your rival only to see them go to the playoff one week later when you lose the conference championship.

tlndma
tlndma

I’m happy it’s LSU instead of Okie St. Playing on New Year’s day “seems” a bigger deal than playing on the 26th or 28th.

nd09hls12
nd09hls12

From what you said, I’m guessing not, but just to double-check: this is not your in-order ranking of the bowls, right? There’s no way our game is the third most interesting bowl game for a neutral viewer (I think that’s USC-Ohio State, unless a bunch of future pros sit out).

The Guys Get Shirts
The Guys Get Shirts

“…unless a bunch of future pros sit out”

I hadn’t considered this, just because it’s such a new thing; last year is the first year I can remember. I might be more interested in watching who opts out than watching the games.

hooks orpik
hooks orpik

I saw on twitter last night that Kelly in his comments yesterday said he talked to the captains and they were all unanimous about wanting to play, which would mean all of Adams, Nelson, McGlinchey, Tranquill and Morgan. I’m not really sure who else would bail, maybe St. Brown? Other than that not too many pro prospects in 2018 if all the captains do play.

..And, really, if I were them I’d make a business decision and not play. They were all on the field when Jaylon went down, cost himself 30 draft picks, millions of dollars plus so much pain and rehab.

More Noise
More Noise

BTW, how is Jaylon doing? Not much on the Cowboys in Paris except they are not doing so hot; but how is he ?

Brendan R

He’s OK. Still not 100%, but he’s coming along. Pro Football Focus just graded him as the best pass rushing LB in the league, but he’s having some issues in pass coverage and run support. He’s not en every-down player for them yet, but given that he had almost two years away from the game and a catastrophic knee injury, I think he’s fine.

Next year will be very interesting. With a full season under his belt, we should get a good idea of whether this is the new norm for him or if he still has improvement ahead.

Clearwall
Clearwall

He’s really started turning it around the last few weeks. He was really thrown into a tough situation at the beginning of the year. Hitchens started the season on IR so Jaylon was thrown into starters minutes and expected to immediately impact the team next to Sean Lee. Then when Hitch got healthy and could help give him breathers, Sean Lee went down and then Jaylon had to step in for the QB of the defense and our only real All-Pro defender. He wasnt mentally ready to be calling the defense like that and the team played horribly around him.
But after 10 weeks or so into his pro career, it seems like it’s finally starting to make sense for him. He’s been much more attacking, he’s covering receivers much better. There’s a play from last thursday where he made a hard break on a pass play and made a great hard tackle over the middle. I think by next season he’ll be back to GODBACKER mode.

More Noise
More Noise

Thanks both of you. Just got back from dinner and appreciate the insight. A heck of a young man.

nd09hls12
nd09hls12

In our game, at a minimum McGlinchey, Nelson, Guice, and Arden Key are all probably making not particularly wise decisions if they suit up. Hopefully they all get through the game unscathed and it’s just an example of bad process/good outcome.

kiwifan
kiwifan

I like the good old days when players played. Not so long ago, actually.

nd09hls12
nd09hls12

Hear me out on this: it could be unambiguously worth their while for everyone to play, provided they were given some sort of incentive (let’s call it “compensation” or “straight cash homie”) for doing so.

Scarponi
Scarponi

If I was a pro GM I’d immediately remove from my draft list anyone who was perfectly healthy and chose to sit out their bowl game. I’d want players who play for the love of the game and the man next to them, not just for the cash. But then I come from the Popovich mindset that it’s more about the right person than the highest talent.

Football was a verb
Football was a verb

Would you still use your first round draft pick if that same player had a potentially career ending injury in an exhibition game?

To me it’s not that different from when the NFL benches their starters during the preseason. I don’t like it, but it’s the safe thing to do.

hooks orpik
hooks orpik

Exactly. The cost/benefit for a high pick is totally off for a relatively meaningless bowl game.

Also, it’s ironic to cite Popovich in a “darr you must play every chance you get to show you love your teammates and aren’t an individualistic glory boy!” attitude….When Pop was one of the innovators of benching his stars for entire games for strategic times during the regular season to be able to keep his guys fresh for the playoffs. This is no different, perhaps an even more obvious of a reason to think big picture and willingly sit.

Scarponi
Scarponi

Don’t we want the mentality of players and coaches to be different? If I recall correctly wasn’t part of the post-USC discussion did their players quit, or did their coaches pull them? If the former, the general consensus was of a negative opinion, in the case of the latter, a more supportive one.

Beyond general sentiments, personally I’m fine with a player sitting for a strategic/competitive advantage, not for a financial one. If a coach says I can improve our team’s success by sitting this player here, he’s trying to win to the best of his ability. It’s team success focused. If a player says I’m not going to play so I can get more money, it’s self focused. That’s the difference that bothers me.

nd09hls12
nd09hls12

One could quite reasonably argue that player no longer has an obligation to the team to play in a near-exhibition game of very questionable significance. If they want to play, that’s great, but let’s not pretend like they’re really letting their teammates down in a big spot here. I don’t think we heard about anybody on their teams resenting Fournette or McCaffrey for skipping Stanford and LSU’s (arguably meaningless) bowl games last year.

I’d have way more reservations in that regard if it were for a playoff game, but I don’t think there have been any rumblings about that for any playoff teams.

hooks orpik
hooks orpik

I fully agree. Further, if I were an NFL executive picking in the top-10, I would rather Quenton Nelson NOT play in the Citrus Bowl, to be honest. (Not that this is the biggest deal in the world, just all things considered). I’d rather the odds be better that he’s all in one piece for combine/workouts and ready for the draft, minicamp and OTA’s, rather than what happened to Jaylon happen there, and then I have one less potential target as a first round pick and starter from Day 1 off the board for an avoidable medical reason.

In that vein, for an NFL team, a player skipping the draft is looking out for the NFL team’s interests which probably is a plus, not a minus. Granted there’s a line to draw (like the rumors Clowney was going to sit out a full college season) and I can see how that would rub some the wrong way. If ND made the playoffs and a NFL’er wasn’t going to play, that’s a different story. This, however, is the Citrus Bowl.

Scarponi
Scarponi

No player that sits out a bowl game is looking out for a NFL team’s interests, they are looking out for their own interest and it happens to coincide with the NFL team’s interests.

Scarponi
Scarponi

I’m speaking neither of obligations, or teammates opinions. No player has an obligation ever to play. They’re free to walk away from the game any time they want. But that’s what a player who chooses to sit is doing: walking away from the game. I want a player I have to drag off the field. I want a player that gets eaten up inside that his teammates are out there fighting and the coach won’t let him be out there fighting with them. THAT’S the type of player I want.

nd09hls12
nd09hls12

Well, sure, but my point is that the guy really doesn’t have any more obligation at that point to play for his college team in the bowl game than his years-ago high school team in the state championship (in the hypothetical scenario that the high school state championship were being played on the same day), or his pee-wee team, or whatever. One might even reasonably argue that he owes more to his future NFL team at that point.

kiwifan
kiwifan

With respect, that just a silly argument. Totally nonsensical.

You’re either on the team or you’re not. In the end, it boils down to selfishness and abandonment of the brotherhood of the team.

In the Marines, guys didn’t get out of their last patrol because they were shortimers, they understood they were part of a team, a brotherhood. And they had a lot more to lose (life and limb) than the football player you describe.

Put another way, let’s say you’re recruiting a kid out of high school, and the kid says “ coach, I’d love to come to ND, but I won’t play in a game I consider meaningless, I just wanted to get that across upfront”.

I seriously doubt the Sabans, Meyers and Swinneys would take a kid with that attitude.

nd09hls12
nd09hls12

It seems that you’re missing the point, which is that, they needn’t consider themselves on the team any more. They don’t owe any more to the school, which, for guys who are going to go pro in sports, have extracted many multiples of value from that individual than what they’ve paid out in scholarships etc.

It’s not the same thing or even comparable to skipping a game in the middle of the season (which, btw, Jarron Jones totally did last year, and that was far, far worse to my mind than McCaffrey/Fournette – so apparently BK *does* recruit those guys).

And, really, comparing playing college football to being in the Marines? Really? That’s an actual brotherhood, where, as you point out, failing to uphold the brotherhood can have life-or-death consequences. This is just a game.

And it’s a game where you can make money to play (and the operative verb is play, not work) the game. So it kind of makes sense to maximize your ability to do that.

kiwifan
kiwifan

I’m not missing the point at all. If it’s so honorable, tell the coach up front that’s your attitude when you’re being recruited and see if you get that scholarship.

Football was a verb
Football was a verb

You lose me at “more money.” I have a hard time looking down on a player who has worked his whole career for essentially no pay seeing little upside to playing in an exhibition game on the verge of making millions. We’re not talking about a millionaire holding out for more millions, we’re talking about someone on the verge of real money for the first time in their career facing the possibility of losing everything. Again, a NFL owner won’t draft someone in the first round if a serious injury occurs no matter how team-oriented they are.

Also, they’re also going to be playing in the NFL, right? It’s not like they’re only holding out for the money. They want a successful career in the NFL and want to be financially rewarded for it. An injury threatens both.

Personally, it makes the most sense for me when players take out insurance policies. But I don’t really know exactly how that works, and it may not make sense for everyone.

kiwifan
kiwifan

Bearing in mind these kids get full rides to a university degree, are treated like gods and coddled from at least their teens, playing a game they profess to love, I don’t buy the poor downtrodden no pay serf argument.

Anybody who succeeds in a career works hard, not just football players. Senior executives competing for the big bucks jobs don’t get to take a pass just because they might fail.

Football was a verb
Football was a verb

Where did I call them poor downtrodden serfs? I’m stating the reality that football players do not get paid to play football until their first NFL contract is signed. College athletes receive many benefits, but these benefits are not the same as an actual salary.

kiwifan
kiwifan

The problem I have with this, though I understand the argument, is where does it end? If fear of injury costing me money causes me to sit out a “meaningless bowl game”, why not skip the last game of the season if I’m not playing for the championship, cause after all that last game of the season is no more “meaningful” than the lower tier bowl game you despise?

For that matter, why participate in the Temple or Miami Ohio games, as coach should be able to win without me, right, and that’s two less chances to get hurt?

Personally, I have no use for players who think like that. You can get severely injured in practice just as easily as in a game—- we’ve seen season ending injuries on simple roll ups recently.

Play football or go home, I say. Anything else smacks of snowflake, IMO.

Russell Knox
Russell Knox

I think players sitting out bowl games will be the beginning of the end of the entire bowl season. Who’s going to pay big money to watch second stringers play football?

nd09hls12
nd09hls12

I think in 5-10 years about half of the NFL-level prospects for whom the bowl would be their last game will be sitting out the non-NY6/playoff bowls, and the bowls will be just fine. Their labor costs are real low, still.

Russell Knox
Russell Knox

We shall see.

hooks orpik
hooks orpik

If the 10 best players on both teams sit, that’s different, but that’s far from what’s happening. Because as of now, everyone who is healthy is playing (or hasn’t announced they’re skipping it).

Anyone excited enough to go to Orlando to watch the Irish probably is going to go whether or not Adams and a couple linemen play or not. Either way, I don’t think an NFL-bound player risking millions of future earnings has any real obligation to keep the bowl season going, and I would support any individual who looks out for his own self-interests if he’s worked hard enough and his team/conference/NCAA/networks have profited enough off of his sweat equity

nd09hls12
nd09hls12

Totally agree – my possibly dire-sounding prediction would only mean 2 or 3 players max from any given team that isn’t in the playoff, and for most bowl teams will be 0 or 1 players. I don’t think it’s going to cripple the system.

Football was a verb
Football was a verb

People pay for the NFL preseason.

Also, bowls are already on the decline and have been so for years. 3 players a year sitting out won’t matter much.

http://miami.cbslocal.com/2014/01/02/bowl-games-are-not-always-winners-for-schools/

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/college/college-gridiron-365/os-bowl-attendance-down-around-5-in-201617-season-20170103-htmlstory.html

nd09hls12
nd09hls12

Anybody want to poke holes in this Dan Wetzel column? I find it pretty compelling – https://sports.yahoo.com/heres-make-college-football-playoff-even-better-032144320.html

Irishchamp23
Irishchamp23

I actually thought Saban made a decent point (wait! keep reading! he really did!) that all P5 teams should play only P5 teams. That way there would be more cross-conference games and it would be easier to determine the strength of each conference against other conferences. That would result in it being easier to compare teams across conference and judge who are the best 4.

hooks orpik
hooks orpik

The idea isn’t bad, but then I feel like the Saban’s and Dabo’s of the world will just schedule Kansas and Illnois and Maryland and whatever other teams that hardly have “power” despite their conference. I wouldn’t see any problem with playing a AAC or Mountain West team (or…you know, an independent). Maybe step one for guys exactly like Saban would be that FCS games don’t count to an FBS record and at least get them playing a full schedule against D-1 programs and dropping the Mercer’s and Citadel’s from their schedule.

Irishchamp23
Irishchamp23

Yea that could happen. Though to be fair Saban said he couldn’t get another P5 team to schedule with him and as Gambit points out it would be an improvement to schedule those teams.

Besides, even if Alabama doesn’t not everyone can play the bottom teams from the other conferences because there are only so many games to go around at some point you will legitimately get more data points that matter to compare conferences. E.g. South Carolina vs. Iowa is helpful when the top teams of the conference play those teams (like OSU playing Iowa and Clemson playing S.C.). One game is never enough because odd things happen but when you have multiple instances of this kind of scheduling it evens out the “crazy things happen” element.

Andy Roberts

Saban is full of crap on not being able to get a P5 team to schedule with him. Alabama was scheduled to play Michigan State THIS YEAR and canceled it because God forbid they play a home and home when they can play pseudo-home games every year in Atlanta.

Brendan R

What Andy said… He can’t get another Power 5 to schedule him because he wants to do them as one-offs at a neutral site favorable to Bama. Georgia had no problem getting us on the schedule, Tennessee has done home-and-homes with UCLA recently, Ole Miss is in the middle of one with Cal, etc. It’s insanely disingenuous for him to claim, or even imply, that they scheduled Mercer (or Coastal Carolina, or the Citadel, or whatever shit team annually precedes the Iron Bowl) before Auburn because no decent team would sign on the dotted line.

Irishchamp23
Irishchamp23

Thanks guys. That makes sense. So then Saban’s own idea of mandating p5 teams would even strengthen their schedule.

gambit1077
gambit1077

What’s the reason for shutting out the AAC? The league has turned out a couple of legit (top 25) teams each year since the last realignment. Same-ish with the MWC. Let’s start with P5 teams not scheduling FCS teams anymore and go from there.

hooks orpik
hooks orpik

That system makes a lot of sense (probably why it won’t be implemented) but if it were…more evidence on why joining a conference would be a clearer path to a national championship, since it’s likely that 1-2 conferences will get multiple spots every year in the top 8. Doesn’t change much for Notre Dame, would have to go 11-1 at minimum to make the playoff..Meanwhile a Stanford team with 3 losses conceivably could have made this playoff had they been PAC champs, another advantage of conference affiliation- the chance for 2-3 losses and still the potential to win a conference. ND loses 2 games as an independent and they’re not making a 4, 6 or 8 team playoff.

Also, in execution I feel like this would morph into the P5 champs + next best 2 SEC teams + one extra random Big10/ACC/Cinderella as the top 8 every year. That’s basically what it was in this exercise. Granted, that’s probably the 8 best teams in the country (though the committee liked Wisconsin a lot more than most) but I get the feeling it would get real SEC heavy real fast in an 8 team environment and then the grumbling would shift to try and add even more.

Football was a verb
Football was a verb

After this year I’m in favor of something like this to shake up the conference championship games. Three of the games were rematches and about half the teams playing had little playoff shot.

On the other hand, this year would be a good argument against expansion. There were really only 3 worthy teams.

DrIck
DrIck

By my count, 10 of ND’s 12 opponents are in bowls – no M(OH) & UNC. That’s pretty good, right?

hooks orpik
hooks orpik

Didn’t quite pan out to merit top-12 consideration, but it was a heck of a resume and schedule this year..

Wins vs. Power-5 with 8+ wins
Notre Dame 3
Washington 1
TCU 1

AP Top-25 Wins
Notre Dame 2
Washington 1
TCU 1

CFP Top-25 Wins
Notre Dame 3
Washington 2
TCU 1

CFP Top-25 Games Played
Notre Dame 6
Washington 3
TCU 3

Wins vs. FBS Winning Record
Notre Dame 6
TCU 5
Washington 3 https://t.co/GWEW69n8zA

— Michael Bertsch (@NDsidBertschy) December 3, 2017

nd09hls12
nd09hls12

Sounds like Willie Taggart is going to go to FSU, which is a pretty good hire for them IMO. Anybody think that Oregon will make a run at BK? I’m guessing… no interest.

Update: fake news – https://twitter.com/BruceFeldmanCFB/status/937747432997351436

The Guys Get Shirts
The Guys Get Shirts

Are you talkin’ ’bout the ‘Noles?

Hitman
Hitman

I just hope Braden Lenzy has some interest!

nd09hls12
nd09hls12

This could be very bad news for the opener next year – https://n.rivals.com/news/take-two-shea-patterson-to-michigan-

hooks orpik
hooks orpik

I’d hold off on the sky falling until he’s eligible and actually transfers but it would be an interesting development. I didn’t watch him much but his game log has some wild swings between very good and multiple INTs. Maybe on the road with a new team it would be the latter, being as his stats were pretty awful against non-cupcakes (South Alabama, UT Martin, Vandy he was 13 TD, 1 INT….Bama, California, LSU, Auburn he was 4 TD, 8 INT)

nd09hls12
nd09hls12

I watched him a good bit (because I play college fantasy… yes, yes, that’s pathetic), and he’s very talented. Looks like a somewhat lesser Manziel (college version). His o-line gave him very little help against solid defensive fronts.

If Van Jefferson transfers he’s pretty solid too (though Patterson much more concerning). Don’t know about the safety, but apparently he was a top-100 ‘croot.